true_edges ([info]true_edges) wrote,
@ 2008-10-22 09:58:00
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Current mood: thoughtful

My new hobbie

Many times have I gone to SCA events and people seem to want to get dressed up and get their middle eastern groove on.  I've always thought it was fun and I wanted to join in on the party.  Most of these middle eastern parties seem to have the men drumming (cause it's manly to beat on things) while the women dance (usually they wear these skimpy belly dance outfits, bonus!)  This is not true for all people of course.  There are many drummers who like drumming because they feel it is a source of musical expression.  Also there are several women who drum.  There is even a great deal of dancers who wear historicaly accurate clothing that do not show hardly any skin and who actually know how to dance rather than just jiggle.

Now I looked at all this and said, "Me too!  Me too!  I wanna play!"  People said, "You're a guy, you should drum!"  I looked at this instument and saw that it seemed limited since it could really only make one type of sound.  Now, there are a great deal of things that can be done with a drum but if you ask me it's not quite the same variety as a string instrument.  Mostly, drumming just isn't my thing.  I said, "I want to dance!"  The celtestany (people dressed in celtic/middle eastern/pirate garb) guys all say, "You can't dance.  Only women dance.  Men drum."  All the women look at me funny as though to say, "Why would you dance?  You're not a woman."  Not wanting to be swayed by narrowminded people I began some research.  What I learned through asking different experts was that the modern SCA has it all wrong.  The women would drum and the men would dance!  Now, this has some exceptions of course.  Women would dance but only for each other.  Men could drum and often did, but most importantly for me was... Men can dance!

So, I've been working on finding info on this subject.  Mostly I've been looking for teachers to teach me how to do the dancing and I'm finding out that there are not many.  In fact, there are none that I know of.  It may very well be setting off to be one of the only men who know how to do male middle eastern dancing in the SCA.  Wow!  Anyway, I went to my friends house to visit my two brothers and my friends Bruce and Ellen.  Ellen showed me a video on some Iranian guys dancing as well as a few pictures from a few books.  It seems like male middle eastern dancing was a little more like the Wild Rumpus from Where the Wild Things Are.  So, we decided to do some wild rumpusing with me and my little brother Nate with Bruce drumming.  It was fun and I seem to have a talent for being able to spin and catch myself so perhaps I will be more dervish like with my dancing.  In conlusion, I feel I have taken my first step into a larger world that could be a lot of fun and allow me to get my middle eastern groove on!

EDIT:  I think my next step is to talk to this Kingdom's newest Laurel since she quite an expert on all things middle eastern.  She might be able to help me get in touch with some good research material or perhaps a dance studio I can learn from.




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[info]katina430
2008-10-22 05:42 pm UTC (link)
That's awesome! Good for you to take that step and not back down from nay-sayers. I look forward to seeing you dance. ;-)

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[info]lsorka
2008-10-22 05:53 pm UTC (link)
Hey.. I know that he doesn't play much anymore but Baron Duryn the Red is a very good middle eastern dancer and teaches. You might contact some people out in Altavia and see if they can put you in touch with him. Just thinking

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[info]teffan
2008-10-22 05:55 pm UTC (link)
Nifty!

One avenue for teaching you may want to pursue is the non-SCA middle eastern dance troupes. We have them here in MN, so I have to assume you have a ton more out there in Hollyweird :p Some of them will be purely entertainment, but others may be very focused on the actual art and be able to help you learn without the burden of the SCA mindset. Good luck!

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[info]true_edges
2008-10-22 06:05 pm UTC (link)
That's good, though many of those type people do a more modern middle eastern male belly dancing. I might find something but most of my experience is it's like going to an olympic fencing studio to learn Capo Ferro. It's still going to have to be distilled quite a bit.

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[info]true_edges
2008-10-22 06:33 pm UTC (link)
Oh, also I have a good number of friends who are not apart of the normal Celtestany crowd. Good friends (women) who would be happy to drum for me as well as those who would be interested in new things. I have no problem with having a suportive group just that I am undertaking perhaps a totally new project.

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[info]diegothered
2008-10-22 06:41 pm UTC (link)
Word, good for you. talk to Eli, she has worked with many male middle eastern dancers before and may be able to find some contact info for you.

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[info]iarroganti
2008-10-22 07:07 pm UTC (link)
I will try to get some names for you as there are plenty of good male dancers out there.

For more classical dance, I would look at Jim Boz and John Compton. I think Jim is in either the LA or SD area.

I am currently interested in the more modern Tribal Fusion style, for which Frank Farinaro is the best male dancer I know of.

I'll see what I can find for you later this week.

BTW, is any of the White Star going to be at KWAR?

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[info]true_edges
2008-10-22 08:35 pm UTC (link)
I don't know about KWAR. There's a small possibility that you might find Giacomo there but most of us are trying to either raise a family or deal with hard economic times.

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[info]sidelong
2008-10-22 07:50 pm UTC (link)
That's awesome! I definitely recommend talking to Kelebek, she's really really nice and does some beautiful Turkish dancing that's really light and bouncy, very different from the "let's stand in one spot and jiggle" mentality intrinsic to a lot of SCA fires.

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[info]true_edges
2008-10-22 08:32 pm UTC (link)
Kelebek! That's the name that Ellen recommended. Thank you!

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[info]cayswann
2008-10-22 08:37 pm UTC (link)
I'll even give you Kelebek and Rajid's phone number(s) and email addresses, and we'll go up to UCSB and watch some of the Middle Eastern Ensemble in performance, where MANY excellent dancers and researchers know about men in ME dance, and then we'll get [info]jillaw in on the conversation too! :)

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[info]true_edges
2008-10-22 08:40 pm UTC (link)
Wow! I've almost stepped into a hornet's nest! I'm nearly overwhelmed!

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[info]sidelong
2008-10-22 10:13 pm UTC (link)
Yes, yes, come up! Then you can stay here or at Purgatory and Marcos can stay at Purgatory and maybe if there's room in the car you could bring this curly-haired dude I know who ALSO likes to dance and and and...

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[info]true_edges
2008-10-22 10:45 pm UTC (link)
He was the one who was actually coaching me.

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[info]sidelong
2008-10-22 11:05 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I heard ALLLLLLLLLLL about it.

*Big, salacious wink.*

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[info]zhiversten
2008-10-22 11:54 pm UTC (link)
Genius! I approve of your plan!

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[info]mariamist
2008-10-22 08:52 pm UTC (link)
You shouldn't talk to Mordechai. He's never danced.

*coughcough*

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